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Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??

Posted by ampapa 
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 05, 2018 02:30AM
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cwaa
My only experience is with a smoothie board and smoothie ware. What has Duet got that I don't already have? I don't want to have to learn marlin so what am I giving up? I connect to my printer over my lan, I can upload files to the SD card from anywhere on my network. I use ponterface for my network interface.

You've already got a good 32-bit board, so I'm not trying to persuade you to switch. But in answer you your question, the Duet offers these advantages:

- TMC2660 drivers with up to x256 microstepping, microstep interpolation, stall detection, up to 2.4A motor current, no cooling normally needed at currents up to 2.0A.
- Much faster file upload to the SD card over the network. 800kbytes/sec is typical, less than 13 seconds for a 10Mbyte file.
- A comprehensive web interface providing a lot more information and control that you get with Pronterface.
- Expandability up to 12 stepper drivers, 9 fans, 8 heaters.


Delta printer calibration calculator, mini IR Z probe, and colour touch screen control panel: [escher3d.com]

Large delta printer, and other 3D printer blog postings: [miscsolutions.wordpress.com]

Disclosure: I have a financial interest in sales of the Panel Due, Mini IR height sensor, and Duet WiFi/Duet Ethernet.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 06, 2018 09:43AM
I've used both and would have to say that file upload + ease of starting a print is the most important question.

I've never had to wait more than a minute to upload via ethernet to the duet.
However I've never found a fast way to upload to the smoothieboard. I would often have to wait 20-30 minutes to upload via usb or ethernet & the external sd card isnt really stable. The fastest way to upload is to pull out the firmware sd card and upload a new file. But to only have fast upload while the printer is off is just... terrible.


That said, marlin 2 is pretty darn awesome and seems to get rid of the issues I was having with smoothieboard + external sd. So if you want to use smoothie hardware then I highly suggest getting marlin 2 when they finish development. Marlin seems to be more pro experimental features than RRF or smoothie. (Probably has a larger dev team) Though I think RRF is a close second.


I also have never felt like I was pushing the duet harder than it could take. I've run my duet delta at ungodly print speeds with 400 plus steps per mm and never been slowed.
Smoothie has been less efficient with the software's use of the hardware. I had major issues with high steps per mm in early designs I made & had to do some really annoying stuff to make the smoothie delta calibration not freeze up. It feels like every time I add a feature, I have to take one away for the smoothieboard.


My conclusion would be to use a duet and I wish it weren't true cause its pricey. But it just works really well. And if you pick any other board, you'll end up spending the same amount of money to get the same performance & still wont have the awesome features of the web interface. Printing use to be a process. And now it's a button push.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 07, 2018 10:22AM
I already have a smoothie board on my cartesian printer. I am buying another controller for a delta build I am assembling now. How much hassle is it to learn Marlin? I will have a very small learning curve with smoothie and I like the current product.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 07, 2018 11:42AM
The Duet doesn't run Marlin, it runs RepRapFirmware. A single firmware binary handles all configurations, so you never need to recompile the firmware - unless of course you are a software developer and you want to. Firmware configuration is done using a text file on the SD card, but all the configuration commands are GCodes - so completely different from Smoothieware's text config file.

Therefore, the main learning curve for you if you buy a Duet will be how to configure the firmware. There is a web-based configuration tool at [reprapfirmware.org] to help you generate the configuration and homing files.

For delta printers, segmentation-free delta motion and least-squares auto calibration of up to 9 delta printer factors is built into the firmware.

HTH David

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2018 11:44AM by dc42.


Delta printer calibration calculator, mini IR Z probe, and colour touch screen control panel: [escher3d.com]

Large delta printer, and other 3D printer blog postings: [miscsolutions.wordpress.com]

Disclosure: I have a financial interest in sales of the Panel Due, Mini IR height sensor, and Duet WiFi/Duet Ethernet.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 08, 2018 10:27AM
I just ordered the Duet ethernet board. I was leaning toward the Smoothie and when I tried to order it, it was out of stock everywhere but Europe. So I will try Duet.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 10, 2018 06:27AM
nice choise . you wont regret this . this is top board..!


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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 25, 2018 01:59PM
I received my Duet Network control and after two days I still can't get it connected to my network. I have asked for a RMA to send it back. I will go back to Smoothie.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 26, 2018 12:35AM
I'm sorry to hear that. Did you ask for help on the support forum at [forum.duet3d.com] ?


Delta printer calibration calculator, mini IR Z probe, and colour touch screen control panel: [escher3d.com]

Large delta printer, and other 3D printer blog postings: [miscsolutions.wordpress.com]

Disclosure: I have a financial interest in sales of the Panel Due, Mini IR height sensor, and Duet WiFi/Duet Ethernet.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 26, 2018 01:28AM
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cwaa
I received my Duet Network control and after two days I still can't get it connected to my network. I have asked for a RMA to send it back. I will go back to Smoothie.

you got a Lamborghini there . the thing that you cannot drive it doesn't make this a bad car....! so go on smoothie but keep in mind that many other users on the world think this is a top product so stop crying like a baby and shout everywhere this is a crap board.

i aam one of these peopple who can drive a supercar but cant afford it .....!


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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 26, 2018 12:03PM
I spent $180 for what was supposed to be a great tool with outstanding support. And I will bitch about it all I can. Their support sucks. I have been off work for 5 days and have made very little progress. I have a mechanical engineering degree, an industrial engineering degree, and up until 2000 I owned and operating a software training and networking consulting company. I may not be the smartest one here but I am not dumb and it shouldn't take 5 days to find out the configurator tool doesn't work. It was not advertised as a Lamborghini, but a car anybody could drive, so stick it up yours.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 26, 2018 12:18PM
@cwaa I'm absolutely no fan of DC42's habit of regularly and subtly promoting his products here as the perfect solution for everyone. However, I will say this, he's intelligent, supportive to this community and his customers, and creates quality hardware/firmware. I completely understand your frustration, but coming here and making multiple posts trashing the DUET across several threads just makes you look bitter and juvenile. Complain on their official forums please.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/26/2018 12:18PM by obelisk79.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 27, 2018 05:21PM
I am very bitter and I am 71. It's truly not the best and I will use every site to express my feelings. Posting on their site only lets other ignorant people like myself make the same mistake.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2018 05:22PM by cwaa.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 27, 2018 05:37PM
I think there is another side to this issue. If my first printer had been a inexpensive unit using marlin and 8bit electronics, the transition to Duet would be much easier. I have no data for this but its a feeling I get. My first firmware was Smoothie Ware. It was designed to make life both faster and easier. I learned it very easily. When there was a problem you were able to talk to the board designer and the firmware designer. If there were problems they could be looked at from both sides. With RepRap firmware, Duet uses it but doesn't control. If it doesn't work its no problem, just contact who on RepRap? That's how I felt when I could not get the configurator to work. Who the hell do I contact. Its not me said the plumber, call the electrician!
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 27, 2018 10:12PM
DC42, if I'm not mistaken helped both design the board and the RepRapFirmware for it... perhaps send him a sane private message and ask for some guidance?
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 28, 2018 04:28AM
a guy with his knowledge and the incapability to set up a top product from all perspectives, who entering threads, forums and all the world saying that this product is crap, is not a guy looking for guidance, but an old man with an attitude problem. he could find guidance and help as thousands of users did ( without these degrees) but finally that was not the point.

the lamborgini is a car which anybody who can afford it can drive it. is is called user friendly . formula1 motogp and jetfighter planes is what you probably have in mind.

so you have to reconsider ur perspective on ads too.


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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 28, 2018 09:20AM
I don't have to do anything!
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 30, 2018 10:16AM
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cwaa
I am very bitter and I am 71. It's truly not the best and I will use every site to express my feelings. Posting on their site only lets other ignorant people like myself make the same mistake.

@cwaa, I'd really like to help, but as there is no user account called cwaa on the forum at duet3d.com I can't tell which posts there if any are yours. Did you create an account on the Duet3d forum, and if so, would you mind telling me the name you used?


Delta printer calibration calculator, mini IR Z probe, and colour touch screen control panel: [escher3d.com]

Large delta printer, and other 3D printer blog postings: [miscsolutions.wordpress.com]

Disclosure: I have a financial interest in sales of the Panel Due, Mini IR height sensor, and Duet WiFi/Duet Ethernet.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 30, 2018 10:33AM
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dc42
@cwaa, I'd really like to help, but as there is no user account called cwaa on the forum at duet3d.com I can't tell which posts there if any are yours. Did you create an account on the Duet3d forum, and if so, would you mind telling me the name you used?

i express my opinion in the past about the quality of ur support that is the only thing higher than the design of ur products. but trully as a businesman i am wondering what do you have to gain from this kind of people ?


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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 30, 2018 04:07PM
Look, I have the board set up now with help from the digital dentist and others. I don't need your help now. We will see if the hardware lives up to its "best" reputation because the documentation doesn't. Why don't you update the configurator and put notices out that it only works with one browser. Have you heard of M307? How do you ask questions about the definitions in the configurator??????? In the first 12 steps to hook up to the internet.....if all else fails, your test program defaults to 192.168.1.14. So unless you have that particular address set aside, like my network does, you will never know it's messed up. So then of course I am trying to identify what device on 192.168.1.14 its conflicting with. A Mac address would be helpful, but I find out that Duet makes up its MAC address and it can change them. How the hell do you tell your router which MAC address you are dealing with? So I changed the Duet back to DHCP and let it choose any address it wanted. Then I used the generated MAC address to then set up a static address on my network. OF course when I talked to Filastruder, who sold me the board they said it was my router. And like others here, suggested I wasn't smart enough. You could also put a link to your Duet forum on Filastruder. They have nothing on support and it was several days before I discovered your forum.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2018 04:16PM by cwaa.
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 30, 2018 04:20PM
Money!
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
June 30, 2018 04:25PM
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Gaou
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dc42
@cwaa, I'd really like to help, but as there is no user account called cwaa on the forum at duet3d.com I can't tell which posts there if any are yours. Did you create an account on the Duet3d forum, and if so, would you mind telling me the name you used?

i express my opinion in the past about the quality of ur support that is the only thing higher than the design of ur products. but trully as a businesman i am wondering what do you have to gain from this kind of people ?
Money!
Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
July 01, 2018 04:30AM
there are money and there are money. some of them crusified Jesus. so no ur money doesn't make any good to any pocket.


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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
July 02, 2018 02:57PM
Its a shame its taken a bit of effort to get it working. I admit to having pulled a hair or two out, every now and again, but most of my hair I lost using arduino-ramps and Marlin 3 years ago. Duet does require a fair bit of knowledge to begin with, its not a board I'd recommend to beginners, unless they were willing to take their time, gain knowledge and then figure it out. Sure the documentation could be made more user-friendly but there aren't many people who, once they have it working, that say it wasn't worth the effort.


Simon.

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Re: Control board decision - DuetWifi or Smoothieboard...??
July 02, 2018 04:00PM
Right now we have a vacancy for someone who can improve the organisation of the documentation and write more Dozuki guides to help new users. All the information is there in our Dozuki wiki, but there is a lot of it because RRF is so flexible, and it isn't as well organised as it could be.

On the specific topic of needing to change the M552 command in config.g when installing a Duet Ethernet, this is missing from the Start Here guide. I have raised this with my colleagues.


Delta printer calibration calculator, mini IR Z probe, and colour touch screen control panel: [escher3d.com]

Large delta printer, and other 3D printer blog postings: [miscsolutions.wordpress.com]

Disclosure: I have a financial interest in sales of the Panel Due, Mini IR height sensor, and Duet WiFi/Duet Ethernet.
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