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I’m not planning on using the aluminum plate for structure. It will just sit on top of the plywood and act as ballast.
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I have not settled on an exact lay up yet.
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I just discovered vented screws. They are normal socket cap screws with holes predrilled. M8's happen to have 2mm holes. I think I might get some and try to convert my hub back to 608s. They are a little pricey. The 6702 are probably cheaper but this will give you a more solid hub axle. It will be a fun experiment either way.
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Re: LISA Simpson January 07, 2014 06:16PM |
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Speaking of discoveries:
I have found a source for pretty good plywood with thickness options of ¾, 1, and 1 ½”. The stuff isn’t exactly cheap. My guess is that on a 2X larger printer, ¾ by it’s self isn’t going to do the for the horizontal plate in the middle of the stack. It *might* be thick enough for the top or bottom plate in the stack. I’d also bet that 1.5” is thick enough by it’s self for the middle plate in the stack.
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More or less the idea:
Motors mount to the middle plate (below it), so the bottom plate is not got a lot on it – use ¾”
Middle plate has a lot on it and a lot going on - use 1 ½”
Top plate still has a lot going on – use 1”
The question to the group – is that enough?
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Re: LISA Simpson January 07, 2014 06:46PM |
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If you are using 608's and you have 4 bearings in the stack, that would use up 28 mm of your 40 mm. A thin 8mm nut will add 2.7 mm. You are down to about 9.3 mm for spacing and what ever you are attaching to on the bottom of the stack.
These guys:
[onlinecatalog.tpa-us.com]?
Will sell you 5 pcs that are 60 mm long for only $97.07.....
Re: LISA Simpson January 07, 2014 07:20PM |
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If you are using 608's and you have 4 bearings in the stack, that would use up 28 mm of your 40 mm. A thin 8mm nut will add 2.7 mm. You are down to about 9.3 mm for spacing and what ever you are attaching to on the bottom of the stack.
These guys:
[onlinecatalog.tpa-us.com]?
Will sell you 5 pcs that are 60 mm long for only $97.07.....
I guess that brings me back to this [www.mcmaster.com]
Is $16 worth it. I get 6702s for about $1-$2 and 608s are 25cents. So is a net $13 worth getting a metal axle?
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Re: LISA Simpson January 07, 2014 09:21PM |
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slop:
The other driver for the metal shaft on a large printer is to drop the hub diameter. If you scale everything up, the hub gets fairly large.
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Re: LISA Simpson January 08, 2014 03:00AM |
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I'm probably missing something very basic about mounting the motors and bearings. My approach is based on NEMA-23's and putting the bearing on the plate that's above the motors. The bearings should be small enough in O.D. to fit inside the bolt pattern on the face of the motor. Drop a few hollow spacers between the motor face and the board above it. Put bolts through the motor face holes, through the spacer, through the plywood, tighten them down.
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I am at a loss at how you can do it with the hub offset.
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If the arm is going to be able to drop straight down, the other two arms need to be a bit longer. More or less the arms get into the 1X rod spacing rather than 2/3 spacing vicinity. That either costs you build height or makes the machine taller. To be same / same I think you need to compare equal build heights.
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I don't think you are back to the "built into Marlin" math. I haven't dug into it, so I may be wrong there.
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Bronze nuts for the Hi-Lead screws came in today. No screws to try them on yet.
They are bronze colored and heavy, beyond that nothing really useful to report about them.
Hopefully the screws will get here soon.
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Re: LISA Simpson January 08, 2014 04:32AM |
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The shoulder offset is the distance from the center of the screw to the center of the arm attachment. The hub offset is from the central axis of the hub to the attachment of the other side of the arm. The is really no math savings in changing the geometry to eliminate them and it won't become like a Rostock. The shoulder rotation causes a translation and that has to be accounted for regardless of the offsets. You could make this have the Rostock math by adding traditional rails like a rostock and have a bearing pivot instead of a screw pivot for the shoulders.
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@uncle_bob: Won't you have carriage interference if you mount bearings in the middle?
Re: LISA Simpson January 09, 2014 04:00AM |
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@A2: I think we are talking different things. I will try to make a diagram. Can you make a diagram of your inline arms?
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Right now my *guess* on the mount is a printed part. The bearing is captive horizontally, but free vertically.
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With high torque motors and no flat on the shaft, I’m not real sure that a printed part is going to get the job done.
I’m guessing that epoxy will do fine for attaching one of the bronze nuts to the bottom of the shaft.
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Another subtle issue is that delta's print big circles / small squares. A cartesian machine prints a big square / small circle. If your target gizmos are big squares you go one way. If your target "stuff" is roundish you might go another way.
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I've never understood if the main concern is "crud" or if it's straight impact damage due to the induced vibration. Since the gizmo is magnetic, it will grab on to any bit of this or that. Of course that's true if you bolt one to a CNC as well. I do believe I've seen at least one being used on a CNC...(in say the last 5 minutes).
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CTF
Using kids putty to mask the insides of the steppers and the output of the shaft works very well to prevent dust.