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Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP

Posted by alex773 
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 11:07AM
Thank you FA-MAS. I'm going to do that tonight and report back
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 03:45PM
Something it is not right.
I powered up the printer on,I homed it with G28 command, moved the nozzle up to 5mm above the bed then I ran G30 with no parameters, then I ran G32 command for Autocalibration.
When I ran the G32 command the head went up to home all position then when it went down it crashed on the bed and moved towards the bottom of the Y tower.
This was what I had in Config.g for Z-Probe :

; Axis Limits
M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

; Endstops
M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Set active high endstops

; Z-Probe
M558 P5 R0.4 H5 F1200 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
G31 P100 X0 Y0 Z-0.1 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 R100 S20 ; Define mesh grid
Attachments:
open | download - IMG_20190509_141355.jpg (314.9 KB)
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 04:15PM
I'd say at least for now, in your M558, lower the T parameter, right now it's 100 mm/sec. I lowered mine to 30 mm/sec aka T1800

The probe points are in your bed.g
The reprap firmware configurator chooses them based off of the probable radius you enter. Post your bed.g
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 04:56PM
Bed.g
; bed.g
; called to perform automatic delta calibration via G32
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2 on Sat Mar 30 2019 20:58:40 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)
M561 ; clear any bed transform
G28 ; home all towers
; Probe the bed at 3 peripheral and 0 halfway points, and perform 3-factor auto compensation
; Before running this, you should have set up your Z-probe trigger height to suit your build, in the G31 command in config.g.
G30 P0 X0 Y99.9 H0 Z-99999
G30 P1 X86.52 Y-49.95 H0 Z-99999
G30 P2 X-86.52 Y-49.95 H0 Z-99999
G30 P3 X0 Y0 H0 Z-99999 S3
; Use S-1 for measurements only, without calculations. Use S4 for endstop heights and Z-height only. Use S6 for full 6 factors
; If your Z probe has significantly different trigger heights depending on XY position, adjust the H parameters in the G30 commands accordingly. The value of each H parameter should be (trigger height at that XY position) - (trigger height at centre of bed)
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 04:57PM
Config.g
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.21)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2 on Sat Mar 30 2019 20:58:40 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)

; General preferences
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M665 R179 L360 B150 H670 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them

; Network
M550 P"abc Printer" ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
;*** Access point is configured manually via M587
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; Drive 1 goes backwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards
M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X200.00 Y200.00 Z200.00 E2700.00 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z1200.00 E36.00 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z18000.00 E1200.00 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E120.00 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E500.00 I35 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S10 ; Set idle timeout

; Axis Limits
M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

; Endstops
M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Set active high endstops

; Z-Probe
M558 P5 R0.4 H5 F1200 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
G31 P100 X0 Y0 Z-0.1 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 R100 S20 ; Define mesh grid

; Heaters
M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; Disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M307 H0 A278.0 C1612.7 D19.6 V24.2 B0
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M307 H1 A635.2 C343.6 D4.4 V24.2 B0
M305 P1 X200 ; Configure PT100 for heater 1
M143 H1 S320 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 320C

; Fans
M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled

; Custom settings are not configured
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 05:09PM
Looks like you're not probing anything more than a 100 mm radius.
Remove that G28 from the bed.g
You'll also want to use at least 10 points for 3 factor to be as accurate as possible.

Something looks off to me in your movement section with the motors moving backwards.

My question is, it moves the way it needs to when you move it correct?

Aka,
Z- buttons move the nozzle away from the endstops, Z+ buttons move it towards the endstops
Y- buttons move the nozzle toward you, the Y+ moves it away
X- buttons move the nozzle to the left, X+ moves it to the right

When it's near the bed, the Z position reported in the web interface is nearer to 0 than when it's away from the bed?

Home All button moves all 3 carriages up toward the endstops and they stop when triggered?

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2019 05:22PM by FA-MAS.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 05:22PM
I removed the G28 from the bed.g.
The T parameter in M558 is T6000
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 05:28PM
All buttons are doing what you said.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 05:30PM
Should be it, probably that G28
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 05:33PM
I'm going to try again and I will report back.
Thank you
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 06:03PM
Thank you so much.
IT IS WORKINGGGGGGG.
How I can change the probing from 100mm to the maximum radius ?
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 06:47PM
You tweak the probing points in bed.g

I would tweak yours like this.

G30 P0 X0.000 Y149.000 H0 Z-99999

G30 P1 X129.037 Y-74.500 H0 Z-99999
G30 P2 X-129.037 Y-74.500 H0 Z-99999
G30 P3 X0 Y0 H0 Z-99999 S3

I would also update this in your config.g

M557 R100 S20 ; Define mesh grid

Make it R149

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2019 06:52PM by FA-MAS.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 09, 2019 07:18PM
Thank you so much. I did change per your instructions and it is working. Can you please help me to set it up for 6 factors with at least 18 probe points. I'm so happy. Is moving.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 02:55AM
Quote
alex773
Can you please help me to set it up for 6 factors with at least 18 probe points. I'm so happy. Is moving.

The configurator at RepRapFirmware.org can generate the bed.g file for you. There is also a bed.g generator at [escher3d.com].



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 10:01AM
Quote
alex773
Thank you so much. I did change per your instructions and it is working. Can you please help me to set it up for 6 factors with at least 18 probe points. I'm so happy. Is moving.

I've plugged your printer's details into the configuration tool and here's the bed.g it made.
Attachments:
open | download - bed.g (1.4 KB)
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 12:04PM
Thank you so much David.
It is working. I love this machine. I'm so close to print with it.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 12:08PM
Thank you so much FA-MAS. It is working.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 12:09PM
I have a deviation before 0.028 after 0.025
Should I be worry about this difference ?
What should I do next ?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2019 01:00PM by alex773.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 02:18PM
This is the the first Mesh Grid Heightmap with the Bed and Hotend off.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2019 03:51PM by alex773.
Attachments:
open | download - Screenshot (19).png (242.2 KB)
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 06:15PM
That’s about the deviation that I’m getting. I’m getting 0.033 while using 3 factor and as low as 0.01 with 8 factor. I’m getting awesome first layers. My understanding is that as long as your deviation is lower than the height of your first layer, it should be good. I’d say set up a Slicer and print some stuff.
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 06:27PM
That's a very good news. Thank you FA-MAS.
Do I have to change or save something in bed.g. Config.g ?
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 06:36PM
Totally up to you, if you wanna see what the deviation looks like, you would change the last line in your bed.g from S6 to S8
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 10, 2019 06:41PM
I'm going to try later to change something.
Thank you
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 11, 2019 02:19PM
Something I not going right.
When I turn the printer on the hotend temperature it is 38 degree C , but the hotend is off and cold . I checked the connection and everything looks good. Where is the problem?
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 02:08AM
Quote
alex773
Something I not going right.
When I turn the printer on the hotend temperature it is 38 degree C , but the hotend is off and cold . I checked the connection and everything looks good. Where is the problem?

Probably in the M305 P1 command in your config.g file. What temperature sensor are you using? Please post your config.g file.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/12/2019 02:09AM by dc42.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 04:14AM
I'm using the E3D PT100 sensor in 4 wire configuration with PT100 daughterboard.
My config.g file:

; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 1.21)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2 on Sat Mar 30 2019 20:58:40 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)

; General preferences
G90 ; Send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M665 R179 L360 B150 H670 ; Set delta radius, diagonal rod length, printable radius and homed height
M666 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Put your endstop adjustments here, or let auto calibration find them

; Network
M550 P"abc Printer" ; Set machine name
M552 S1 ; Enable network
;*** Access point is configured manually via M587
M586 P0 S1 ; Enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; Disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; Disable Telnet

; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; Drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; Drive 1 goes backwards
M569 P2 S0 ; Drive 2 goes backwards
M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X200.00 Y200.00 Z200.00 E2700.00 ; Set steps per mm
M566 X1200.00 Y1200.00 Z1200.00 E36.00 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000.00 Y18000.00 Z18000.00 E1200.00 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E120.00 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1000.00 Y1000.00 Z1000.00 E500.00 I35 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S10 ; Set idle timeout

; Axis Limits
M208 Z0 S1 ; Set minimum Z

; Endstops
M574 X2 Y2 Z2 S1 ; Set active high endstops

; Z-Probe
M558 P5 R0.4 H5 F1200 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to effector and the dive height + speeds
G31 P100 X0 Y0 Z-0.1 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 R149 S20 ; Define mesh grid

; Heaters
M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; Disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M307 H0 A278.0 C1612.7 D19.6 V24.2 B0
M305 P0 T100000 B4138 R4700 ; Set thermistor + ADC parameters for heater 0
M143 H0 S120 ; Set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M307 H1 A635.2 C343.6 D4.4 V24.2 B0
M305 P1 X200 ; Configure PT100 for heater 1
M143 H1 S320 ; Set temperature limit for heater 1 to 320C

; Fans
M106 P0 S0 I0 F500 H-1 ; Set fan 0 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned off
M106 P1 S1 I0 F500 H1 T45 ; Set fan 1 value, PWM signal inversion and frequency. Thermostatic control is turned on

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; Set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; Set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Automatic saving after power loss is not enabled

; Custom settings are not configured

Thank you David
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 01:36PM
Your config looks OK. If you are using a 2-wire Pt100 connection, then I suspect that you have excessive resistance in the wires and connectors between the daughter board and the PT100. An extra 5 ohms would give a reading around 38C.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 03:01PM
Thank you David for your input.
If you remember in first place when I first started the printer the difference between the bed and hotend it was almost 4 degrees C.
There is no option to fix this problem ?
Thank you
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 03:34PM
Quote
alex773
Thank you David for your input.
If you remember in first place when I first started the printer the difference between the bed and hotend it was almost 4 degrees C.
There is no option to fix this problem ?
Thank you

If the connections in your PT100 wiring have 5 ohms resistance, you have at least one bad connection. Compensating for it would be foolish because the resistance won't be stable.

If you are using very long or very fine wires to the PT100, then either use thicker wires or use a 4-wire connection.

I guess the other possibilities are that your sensor is faulty, or the daughter board is faulty. You can test the daughter board by connecting the supplied 100 ohm resistor to it in place of the sensor. It should give a reading very close to 0C. You can test the sensor by connecting it directly to the daughter board, bypassing the wiring.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Kossel Delta xxl build project HELP
May 12, 2019 03:46PM
Thank you David. I'm going to try all of your recommendation to see how this can be fixed.
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