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New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42

Posted by dc42 
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 04, 2015 03:17PM
David,
Today I loaded your firmware 1.09a and I just had to let you know how pleased I am with the new move code, the machine seems to be running a lot smoother and the quality of the prints are better.

I should have tried this some time ago.

Well done and thanks
Paul


appjaws - Core XYUV Duet Ethernet Duex5
firmware 3.1.1 Web Interface 3.1.1
Ormerod 1-converted to laser engraver, Duet wifi
OpenSCAD version 2020.07
slic3r-1.3.0, Simplify3D 4.1.2, Cura-4.4.1
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 04, 2015 04:47PM
Quote
appjaws1
David,
Today I loaded your firmware 1.09a and I just had to let you know how pleased I am with the new move code, the machine seems to be running a lot smoother and the quality of the prints are better.

Paul, thanks for the feedback! It's nice to know my work is appreciated.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 04, 2015 05:20PM
I can totally confirm to that what Paul said. Even though I have still some troubles with my printer I was able to speed up things a bit from 30mm/s to 50mm/s. Okay you can see a slightly difference looking at the surfaces but only the pattern (and the kind of light reflexion) changed a bit but not the quality. I am waiting for some spare parts and also I have to print some parts and I cannot wait for finishing the complete maintenance. I will also add some parts designed/ modified by you and I will stay with your firmware. The movement of RRP 1.09 did not sound as smooth as yours. And I am a little bit ashamed that I thought that the problem of my printer was caused by your firmware. I should have known it better.


Slicer: Simplify3D 4.0; sometimes CraftWare 1.14 or Cura 2.7
Delta with Duet-WiFi, FW: 1.20.1RC2; mini-sensor board by dc42 for auto-leveling
Ormerod common modifications: Mini-sensor board by dc42, aluminum X-arm, 0.4 mm nozzle E3D like, 2nd fan, Z stepper nut M5 x 15, Herringbone gears, Z-axis bearing at top, spring loaded extruder with pneumatic fitting, Y belt axis tensioner
Ormerod 2: FW: 1.19-dc42 on Duet-WiFi. own build, modifications: GT2-belts, silicone heat-bed, different motors and so on. Printed parts: bed support, (PSU holder) and Y-feet.
Ormerod 1: FW: 1.15c-dc42 on 1k Duet-Board. Modifications: Aluminium bed-support, (nearly) all parts reprinted in PLA/ ABS, and so on.
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 07, 2015 03:37AM
Installed the new FW all Seams well, but i am also trying to get my Printer to M81 After print, But cant find a G Code that will Wait till my Hot-end gets to 35C. I try ed:

;End GCode
G91 ; relative positioning
G0 Z5.00 F275 ; retract the filament a bit wall lifting the nozzle, to release some of the pressure
G90 ; use absolute coordinates
M82 ; use absolute distances for extrusion
G92 E0.0
G0 X225 Y200 F4000
T4
M104 S35
M116
M140 S0
M81
;{profile_string}

But Just changes tool and Shuts the printer down wall the hot-end is at 196C. Is sum-thing broken or am i just using the wrong codes?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 07, 2015 04:42AM
I'll take a look when I am back in the office. Meanwhile, I suggest you use e.g. G4 P120000 (i.e. delay for 120 seconds) before your M81.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2015 04:42AM by dc42.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 07, 2015 04:56PM
Haven't done much testing yet, but the firmware is worth it for the faster homing alone!

I changed to a quieter fan at the same time, but there does seem to be less noise from the motors as if things are running smoother. Overall with the fan change the overall noise level is down about 70%.

Changes in small angular direction (x,y) do sound harsher if that's the right word, but I would say it just moving more accurately.

Also really useful to be able to play around with the print speed on the fly. It might be me but 120% looks a lot faster than that?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 07, 2015 07:03PM
Just upgraded to 1.09a-dc42 from 0.78y, everything works fine except I'm unable to get a mechanical z-endstop working.
The led on the Duet confirms the switch is connected and operating normally (the led goes off triggering the switch).

Here is a dump from Pronterface:

>>>M574 Z1 S1
SENDING:M574 Z1 S1
>>>M574
SENDING:M574
Endstop configuration: X none  , Y high end  (active high) , Z low end  (active high)
>>>M119
SENDING:M119
Endstops - X: not stopped, Y: not stopped, Z: not stopped

Tried also other combinations of Z/S parameters without success.
Is any other command required?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 08, 2015 04:01AM
You also need to:

1. Tell the firmware that the Z probe is.not used for Z homing, using the Z0 parameter in the M558 command.

2. Change the homez.g and homeall.g files to home the Z axis using a G1 S1 command instead of a G30 command.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 10, 2015 11:06AM
Hi David,
after a few prints I must say it's OK!

Thanks
Dario


Ormerod 187
Firmware Electronics: Duet 0.6
Firmware Version:1.18.1 (2017-04-07)
Web Interface Version:1.15a
Slic3r 1.2.9a and Simplify3D 4.0.0
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 12:00PM
Think I know the answer to this, but is there any firmware limit to the Z axis maximum? I am asking as I was looking at rebuilding my Ormerod to print up to around 400mm on the Z axis
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 12:13PM
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Firefox3D
Think I know the answer to this, but is there any firmware limit to the Z axis maximum? I am asking as I was looking at rebuilding my Ormerod to print up to around 400mm on the Z axis




:-)

Erik
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 12:49PM
Always impeccable explanations Erik!!!! smileys with beer

hehehe

thumbs up
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 12:52PM
A picture is worth a thousand words, thanks Erik. Did you add a stronger better brace to connect the Z to the Y axis?

Also are the Y axis sections bigger, 300x300mm heated bed?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 02:00PM
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Firefox3D
Think I know the answer to this, but is there any firmware limit to the Z axis maximum? I am asking as I was looking at rebuilding my Ormerod to print up to around 400mm on the Z axis

You can set Z axis minima and maxima using M208, but the firmware does not currently enforce them. Maybe it should?



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 11, 2015 03:17PM
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dc42
Quote
Firefox3D
Think I know the answer to this, but is there any firmware limit to the Z axis maximum? I am asking as I was looking at rebuilding my Ormerod to print up to around 400mm on the Z axis

You can set Z axis minima and maxima using M208, but the firmware does not currently enforce them. Maybe it should?

Hi dc42,
yes please ...
I tried only the movements and seem to work but I do not want to risk a tall printing size
Thanks

Dario


Ormerod 187
Firmware Electronics: Duet 0.6
Firmware Version:1.18.1 (2017-04-07)
Web Interface Version:1.15a
Slic3r 1.2.9a and Simplify3D 4.0.0
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 09:08AM
Quote
dc42
Quote
Firefox3D
Think I know the answer to this, but is there any firmware limit to the Z axis maximum? I am asking as I was looking at rebuilding my Ormerod to print up to around 400mm on the Z axis

You can set Z axis minima and maxima using M208, but the firmware does not currently enforce them. Maybe it should?

I don't have the Ormerod in front of me to check, but I think that a command to move to an excessive Z height might do mechanical damage by crashing the X arm into the Z upper mount given the fairly high force available via the Z-screw? If so, I think enforcement of the set limit is probably more important than on the X & Y axis.

Dave
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 11:15AM
Yes it can, nearly happened to me. I assumed the printer could do the spec of 200mm, luckily I was watching it and realised it was going to max out about 190-ish. What was scary is I stopped the print with a few mil to go, but then forgot it moves Z up when you home it, part of the X-arm just briefly strained against the top plastic part of the Z before going back down.

Just wanted to mention I have used pause resume quite a few times and it has behaved itself, only one that went wrong was printing a simple 180mm square box outline, to visually check bed levelling. Most pauses resumed ok, but twice what happened was it appeared to add the next X move to the current Y move so instead of going to the next corner it went diagonal, carried on ok after that.

Jon

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2015 11:55AM by Firefox3D.
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 12:41PM
Hi dc42,
too many quality problems ... back to previous It seems much better.
I left only one printer to test.
Even 0.78k-dc42 with v095 print better (tested)
Nothing about gcode... I'm still testing the same model usually 100% perfect.
Two prints of yesterday seemed ok but today with the caliber I changed my opinion
Dario

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2015 01:00PM by Ormerod187.


Ormerod 187
Firmware Electronics: Duet 0.6
Firmware Version:1.18.1 (2017-04-07)
Web Interface Version:1.15a
Slic3r 1.2.9a and Simplify3D 4.0.0
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 12:57PM
Hi Dario,

What differences are you seeing in print quality?

Also out of interest does Simplify3D give better quality?

Thanks

Jon
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 01:39PM
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Firefox3D
Hi Dario,

What differences are you seeing in print quality?

Also out of interest does Simplify3D give better quality?

Thanks

Jon

Hi Jon,
a fairly good quality in my opinion (90% only) [www.dropbox.com]
done with slic3r and 0.78k-dc42 web control 0.95
Simplify3D is absolutely necessary with large prints and printed that require support.
With a large model I lost 2 days with slic3r and 20 min. with Simplify3d! ( with the same PC)... an another40 min. with Slic3r 40 sec. with Simplify3D.
eye rolling smiley
Dario
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 01:43PM
Are you talking about finding the right settings and lost time through failed prints?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 01:52PM
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Firefox3D
Are you talking about finding the right settings and lost time through failed prints?

No .... 2 days just for waiting the slicing!
Try a statue 350mm. taller with a high definition.... and take a break at sea!

Dario
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 02:03PM
Really?

Must be some kind of bottleneck in the software processing for it to take that long. I have loaded some fairly complex models and slicing has taken no more than a minute with support structure. Do you have any idea how many triangles are in the file that makes the STL or OBJ?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 02:18PM
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Firefox3D
Really?

Must be some kind of bottleneck in the software processing for it to take that long. I have loaded some fairly complex models and slicing has taken no more than a minute with support structure. Do you have any idea how many triangles are in the file that makes the STL or OBJ?


Really????
slic3r is making good support structure?
and fast.....
I'm very excited which version?


Ormerod 187
Firmware Electronics: Duet 0.6
Firmware Version:1.18.1 (2017-04-07)
Web Interface Version:1.15a
Slic3r 1.2.9a and Simplify3D 4.0.0
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 02:21PM
same ,i have never had a slice take more then 2min with slic3r 1.2.7
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 02:27PM
I'm not saying the support structure is perfect and haven't tried Simplify3D, I was just trying to understand how complex the model was for it to take 2 days to process, what PC processor are you using, I have an older dual core overclocked equivalent to around a 3.2Ghz intel i3

I have used Slic3r 1.1.7, 1.2.7 and have just downloaded 1.2.8, don't think they have changed anything to do with support structure recently though.

The picture of the Z support in black does look very good, is that with the earlier firmware and do you have a pic of what it looks like with 1.09a or any other comparison pics of print quality vs 0.78?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 02:35PM
Quote
Darathy
same ,i have never had a slice take more then 2min with slic3r 1.2.7

out of topic ... I'm sorry dc42
[www.youtube.com]

Dario


Ormerod 187
Firmware Electronics: Duet 0.6
Firmware Version:1.18.1 (2017-04-07)
Web Interface Version:1.15a
Slic3r 1.2.9a and Simplify3D 4.0.0
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 03:02PM
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Firefox3D
I'm not saying the support structure is perfect and haven't tried Simplify3D, I was just trying to understand how complex the model was for it to take 2 days to process, what PC processor are you using, I have an older dual core overclocked equivalent to around a 3.2Ghz intel i3

I have used Slic3r 1.1.7, 1.2.7 and have just downloaded 1.2.8, don't think they have changed anything to do with support structure recently though.

The picture of the Z support in black does look very good, is that with the earlier firmware and do you have a pic of what it looks like with 1.09a or any other comparison pics of print quality vs 0.78?

Sorry I can not show the model..... and I'm using corei7
The picture of the Z support in black is done with 078k-dc42 firmware and it's not perfect.... but it's OK.
I'll post some for comparison....

Dario
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 03:09PM
Yes sorry for derailing, I just wanted to to know exactly how the print quality differs with the newer firmware.

Dario, is the Z support print with the standard 0.5mm head and speed settings?
Re: New experimental firmware 1.09a-dc42
June 12, 2015 03:28PM
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Ormerod187
Hi dc42,
too many quality problems ... back to previous It seems much better.

Hi Dario, what quality problems are you seeing?

I have had a number of users saying that print quality is better using my 1.00 and later firmware, compared to RRP, zpl, and my pre-1.0 series. I have also had some reports that my later versions slow down more when changing direction by less than 90 degrees. This is entirely possible, because my 1.00 and later firmware honours the settings for maximum instantaneous X and Y speed change when changing direction, but the other builds do not.

If you think that slowing down more when changing direction is affecting print quality, then you can always increase the allowed instantaneous X and Y speed change, using the M566 command. In my fork, these do not affect the minimum printing speed.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2015 03:28PM by dc42.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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