Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) August 31, 2008 08:35AM |
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I wonder if digital watermarks in 3D design files could be more robust than ordinary 2D graphical watermarks.
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I think major reasons for piracy are over-charging and lack of convenience
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) August 31, 2008 11:08AM |
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Wait, what about the spare infill of an object. If that is part of the design file,
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Don't start with DRM, if it doesn't fail I'll be amazed.
Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) August 31, 2008 10:13PM |
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But a randomly generated code would be very unlikely to resemble a non random code. This could be detected as a signature of authenticity.Quote
But you could easily write a script that will scramble those same digits with no loss of accuracy.
My main problem with DRM is that it usually effects legitimate users more than pirates, and in a negative way. If DRM could be made invisible to the end user, then I would be ok with it. But currently all the DRM systems I have heard of are a pain for legitimate users, where as pirates strip the DRM out of the system and use it without the problems it causes.Quote
If you want to protect your designs, you'll need to write your own DRM capable firmware, and require that customers use it in order to use your files. And your designs and/or firmware better be pretty amazing before anyone is going to want to do that.
What if you built an object inside the work piece (and connected to the main piece so it doesn't move around). This small, internal object would be then capable of holding a watermark. It does, however, use a little more plastic and make it a little heavier (negative impacts on the end user), but it would not be a large effect (but still more than I would like).Quote
It isn't. As you guessed, it gets calculated by the host software, Having to ship part files with infill paths in them would make them enormous.
You might be able to hide some data in the less significant digits of vertex coordinates.
I think 100% protection is futile, but enough protection to make the effort worthwhile (economically feasible) is certainly achievable.Quote
Quite. Any efforts to protect your intellectual property are futile... any chance to make money from creating parts files will be either a) from honest people (hah!) or b) from consulting or custom part design for individuals or organisations.
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 01, 2008 10:37AM |
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But a randomly generated code would be very unlikely to resemble a non random code. This could be detected as a signature of authenticity.
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If DRM could be made invisible to the end user, then I would be ok with it
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What if you built an object inside the work piece (and connected to the main piece so it doesn't move around)
Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 01, 2008 10:41AM |
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But a randomly generated code would be very unlikely to resemble a non random code. This could be detected as a signature of authenticity.
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If DRM could be made invisible to the end user, then I would be ok with it
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What if you built an object inside the work piece (and connected to the main piece so it doesn't move around)
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when you want to build objects with a 'bullet-proof' tracer, then embedd some specific in the fabbing material
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This blanket statement of futility, I think, is unfounded. A bit of creativity and the whole DRM business becomes obsolete, and profit can still be made.
Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 01, 2008 11:11AM |
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No. This is already being done for data files, even when all data files are identical.Quote
Trying to associate 'prestige' with a product is going to be exceptionally difficult, and require you to be making something special.
Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 02, 2008 04:51AM |
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If you had a copy of the "Lord of the Rings" it would be just like any other copy of the book. But if you had one signed by JRR Tolkien, then that book, evne though it is physically identical in all other ways to an identical book, is worth more because it is signed.
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The signature system could continue beyond the initial release as contribution does not have to stop at release. Something like the shareware model could be implemented except all that you do is pay for a "signature"
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 03, 2008 04:35AM |
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If you want protection, don't care about signs logos and stuff,
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 04, 2008 04:04AM |
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Now we have TWO objekt with exactly the same pattern printed on or embedded in it.
How do you know which one is "the real thing" ?
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 04, 2008 05:59AM |
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With simply refiltering or resizing of your file this displacements are resampled and intermixed with random noise, so it's useless when someone skilled wants to vialate your properties
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So better look for 'material-branding'
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 05, 2008 02:48AM |
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I am not wanting to make it scarce!Quote
Adding value to an item isn't the same thing as making it scarce. The question that I have in, however, not why you would want to add value to an item, but why you'd want to make it scarce?
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Re: Patent Infringement (Stratasys) September 06, 2008 06:24AM |
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But that is not the same as creating value of an object due to scarcity. That is giving a personal value to an object. It is completely different.Quote
You must admit that what you say seems to betray a rather obsessive interest in somehow indellibly marking some hypothetical innovative object as your own.
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