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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 08, 2016 06:19PM |
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To address the heat problem when I had a short time on layers I found a fan that will mount on the MK9 so I printed and installed it. I seems do help.
I addressed another small problem where the hot end would sometimes hit one of the clips holding the glass down.
I cut a new piece of glass that was 8 1/2" x 8" so it would hang over the sides of the hot plate. Now I can get the clips
a lot further away from the print area. So far no hits.
// Travel limits after homing //changed this to 180 so I won't crash into my binder clips #define X_MAX_POS 180 #define X_MIN_POS 0 #define Y_MAX_POS 180 #define Y_MIN_POS 0 #define Z_MAX_POS 175 #define Z_MIN_POS 0
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 08, 2016 07:56PM |
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I purchased borosilicate; at least that's what the seller sold it as, ha, ha, ha. If I had glass cutting skills...
My reduced my bed size in configuration.h. I chose expedience over elegance.
Sonny's magnetic setup is way good: ...
[www.thingiverse.com]
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 09, 2016 12:39PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 09, 2016 05:02PM |
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Up and printing! Thanks for all the help. Only problem I am have is the layers on the print seem to separate making large cracks the part. What kind of problem causes this? I can send photos if needed.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 09, 2016 10:53PM |
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tjnamtiw
1: Did you level the bed to the nozzle in all four corners? 0.1 mm or 0.004" clearance when in the Z = 0 position using your Z endstop?
2: Did you calibrate your extruder and change the EStep number in your firmware with Arduino?
3: Is your slicer set for 1.75 and not 3.0 mm?[/quote
Is this the line I should be changing to calibrate the extruder? Not sure what "RUNOUT" is.
" #define EXTRUDER_RUNOUT_ESTEPS 19. //mm filament "
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2016 11:18PM by WilberMaker.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 09, 2016 11:10PM |
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tjnamtiw
1: Did you level the bed to the nozzle in all four corners? 0.1 mm or 0.004" clearance when in the Z = 0 position using your Z endstop?
2: Did you calibrate your extruder and change the EStep number in your firmware with Arduino?
3: Is your slicer set for 1.75 and not 3.0 mm?
Is this the line I should be changing to calibrate the extruder? Not sure what "RUNOUT" is.
" #define EXTRUDER_RUNOUT_ESTEPS 19. //mm filament "
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 11, 2016 10:16PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 12, 2016 03:44PM |
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For the overhangs you presented I would need to keep layer height at 0.2mm. Contrary to what your article suggests, I would make sure that my outer perimeters were a bit wide at least 1.5 X height. This is close to default, but Slic3r has 'sane defaults' and reduces perimeter widths so that the finished part looks "cleaner.' I also make sure my part has three extrusion perimeters of thickness, i.e the part has three beads of filament wall. So I set my thickness in Cura to to 0.9mm for a print of height 0.20 and check the print preview for three perimeters.
I tend to get better overhang prints using Cura. It somehow recognizes that the top of a sphere needs more thickness/support. The Slic3r prints have gaps at the top even if a try to tell it to make the top thicker.
Sometimes these tough angles just need some infill.
A part cooling fan is a must for these tough prints. The top of your print looks too hot, you might try a few degrees cooler.
notes:
[manual.slic3r.org]
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 12, 2016 04:16PM |
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tjnamtiw
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes. BUT if you look at the beginning of your generated GCode, you will see IF YOU ARE USING A 0.4 mm nozzle, that the intended wall thickness is supposed to be 0.48 mm. That's why you run a single wall test piece and measure the top one or two layers to see if they are 0.48 mm. If not, ASSUMING you calibrated your extruder first, you should adjust your extrusion % or multiplier until you DO get 0.48 mm. That means that 3 layer wide outer wall would be 3 X 0.48 mm or 1.44 mm.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 13, 2016 07:48AM |
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For the overhangs you presented I would need to keep layer height at 0.2mm. Contrary to what your article suggests, I would make sure that my outer perimeters were a bit wide at least 1.5 X height. This is close to default, but Slic3r has 'sane defaults' and reduces perimeter widths so that the finished part looks "cleaner.' I also make sure my part has three extrusion perimeters of thickness, i.e the part has three beads of filament wall. So I set my thickness in Cura to to 0.9mm for a print of height 0.20 and check the print preview for three perimeters.
I tend to get better overhang prints using Cura. It somehow recognizes that the top of a sphere needs more thickness/support. The Slic3r prints have gaps at the top even if a try to tell it to make the top thicker.
Sometimes these tough angles just need some infill.
A part cooling fan is a must for these tough prints. The top of your print looks too hot, you might try a few degrees cooler.
notes:
[manual.slic3r.org]
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes. BUT if you look at the beginning of your generated GCode, you will see IF YOU ARE USING A 0.4 mm nozzle, that the intended wall thickness is supposed to be 0.48 mm. That's why you run a single wall test piece and measure the top one or two layers to see if they are 0.48 mm. If not, ASSUMING you calibrated your extruder first, you should adjust your extrusion % or multiplier until you DO get 0.48 mm. That means that 3 layer wide outer wall would be 3 X 0.48 mm or 1.44 mm.
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tjnamtiw
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 13, 2016 08:43AM |
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flatlander
For the overhangs you presented I would need to keep layer height at 0.2mm. Contrary to what your article suggests, I would make sure that my outer perimeters were a bit wide at least 1.5 X height. This is close to default, but Slic3r has 'sane defaults' and reduces perimeter widths so that the finished part looks "cleaner.' I also make sure my part has three extrusion perimeters of thickness, i.e the part has three beads of filament wall. So I set my thickness in Cura to to 0.9mm for a print of height 0.20 and check the print preview for three perimeters.
I tend to get better overhang prints using Cura. It somehow recognizes that the top of a sphere needs more thickness/support. The Slic3r prints have gaps at the top even if a try to tell it to make the top thicker.
Sometimes these tough angles just need some infill.
A part cooling fan is a must for these tough prints. The top of your print looks too hot, you might try a few degrees cooler.
notes:
[manual.slic3r.org]
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes. BUT if you look at the beginning of your generated GCode, you will see IF YOU ARE USING A 0.4 mm nozzle, that the intended wall thickness is supposed to be 0.48 mm. That's why you run a single wall test piece and measure the top one or two layers to see if they are 0.48 mm. If not, ASSUMING you calibrated your extruder first, you should adjust your extrusion % or multiplier until you DO get 0.48 mm. That means that 3 layer wide outer wall would be 3 X 0.48 mm or 1.44 mm.
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tjnamtiw
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes.
Yep, total wall thickness 0.9 mm, 0.3 mm per pass. This is an attempt to make Cura do what Slic3r does with Vertical shells, Perimeters: 3.
It's starting to feel like Spinal Tap in here..."These go to 11." Ha, ha, ha. [www.youtube.com]
It's my understanding that using a layer height 'setting' of 0.2 mm (resulting in a .3 mm width) is perfectly acceptable with a 0.4 mm nozzle. In my experience the prints with overhangs have better looking results at a 0.2 mm height setting.
I guess my point is that if Slic3r is making the outer perimeter narrow by default the next layer will just fall off the edge in spaghetti as seen in the lower part of a spherical object. That's why I suggest forcing the external perimeters to 0.48 mm, using your suggested layer width, by using Advanced >Extrusion width >External perimeters: 0.48. For me, "These go to .30 mm." Sticking with the Spinal Tap tone.
Hum, I need to print a glow-in-the-dark Stonehenge.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 13, 2016 08:00PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 13, 2016 08:19PM |
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For the overhangs you presented I would need to keep layer height at 0.2mm. Contrary to what your article suggests, I would make sure that my outer perimeters were a bit wide at least 1.5 X height. This is close to default, but Slic3r has 'sane defaults' and reduces perimeter widths so that the finished part looks "cleaner.' I also make sure my part has three extrusion perimeters of thickness, i.e the part has three beads of filament wall. So I set my thickness in Cura to to 0.9mm for a print of height 0.20 and check the print preview for three perimeters.
I tend to get better overhang prints using Cura. It somehow recognizes that the top of a sphere needs more thickness/support. The Slic3r prints have gaps at the top even if a try to tell it to make the top thicker.
Sometimes these tough angles just need some infill.
A part cooling fan is a must for these tough prints. The top of your print looks too hot, you might try a few degrees cooler.
notes:
[manual.slic3r.org]
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes. BUT if you look at the beginning of your generated GCode, you will see IF YOU ARE USING A 0.4 mm nozzle, that the intended wall thickness is supposed to be 0.48 mm. That's why you run a single wall test piece and measure the top one or two layers to see if they are 0.48 mm. If not, ASSUMING you calibrated your extruder first, you should adjust your extrusion % or multiplier until you DO get 0.48 mm. That means that 3 layer wide outer wall would be 3 X 0.48 mm or 1.44 mm.
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tjnamtiw
You say that you set the 'thickness' in Cura to 0.9 mm". I assume you mean the wall thickness with three passes.
Yep, total wall thickness 0.9 mm, 0.3 mm per pass. This is an attempt to make Cura do what Slic3r does with Vertical shells, Perimeters: 3.
It's starting to feel like Spinal Tap in here..."These go to 11." Ha, ha, ha. [www.youtube.com]
It's my understanding that using a layer height 'setting' of 0.2 mm (resulting in a .3 mm width) is perfectly acceptable with a 0.4 mm nozzle. In my experience the prints with overhangs have better looking results at a 0.2 mm height setting.
I guess my point is that if Slic3r is making the outer perimeter narrow by default the next layer will just fall off the edge in spaghetti as seen in the lower part of a spherical object. That's why I suggest forcing the external perimeters to 0.48 mm, using your suggested layer width, by using Advanced >Extrusion width >External perimeters: 0.48. For me, "These go to .30 mm." Sticking with the Spinal Tap tone.
Hum, I need to print a glow-in-the-dark Stonehenge.
Think about it. You have a 0.4 mm diameter nozzle and you are expecting the width of the single layer to be 0.3 mm. Aint' going to happen. With swell out of the nozzle, you will have OVER 0.4 mm. The only way you're going to MAYBE get 0.3 mm is if you try to stretch the 'string' but the firmware won't let you do that plus it's pushing the layer down onto the previous layer. You are not going to get 0.9 mm for 3 passes, or at least you shouldn't. If you are, you have not properly set up your extruder and extrusion rate. You'll have gaps and incomplete fill. Layer height does not dictate layer width.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 14, 2016 07:47AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 14, 2016 08:17AM |
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Hey fellow reprappers,
So I had issues when I received my folgertech 2020 printer, two of the motors were damaged during shipment. I took them apart and after messing with them awhile I was able to get them to spin when attached to the printer. I contacted folgertech about the two motors and they were kind enough to send replacements. While I was waiting I continued to try and print with the slightly damaged motors. Over the last week I feel they have been working great, as I am getting pretty quality prints. I just received a new y axis motor as well as another smaller motor used for the x and z. I've also noticed during my prints that the x axis motor gets really hot, depending on the print time between 40-60 degrees Celsius. When I've checked the y axis motor its significantly cooler. My question is has anyone attempted putting the larger motor on the x axis? Is there any reason I shouldn't try/do this with my extra motor that anyone knows about?
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 14, 2016 09:50PM |
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Cyril
So I finally added a cooling fan, and printed a benchy with 0.1 as layer height, slowing done the speeds of perimeters to 60%. It came out pretty well particularly regarding the bridges even if I had a Y shifting (I guess this is my bad motor I managed to fixed myself).
Here are some pictures, let me know what do you think. (all the mesures are pretty good (around ~ 0.04 mm delta for some of them).
The chimney had some issue, not sure why, maybe not cooling enough between layers. The only missing part are the small writing on the back.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 14, 2016 10:00PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) May 14, 2016 10:21PM |
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Hey fellow reprappers,
So I had issues when I received my folgertech 2020 printer, two of the motors were damaged during shipment. I took them apart and after messing with them awhile I was able to get them to spin when attached to the printer. I contacted folgertech about the two motors and they were kind enough to send replacements. While I was waiting I continued to try and print with the slightly damaged motors. Over the last week I feel they have been working great, as I am getting pretty quality prints. I just received a new y axis motor as well as another smaller motor used for the x and z. I've also noticed during my prints that the x axis motor gets really hot, depending on the print time between 40-60 degrees Celsius. When I've checked the y axis motor its significantly cooler. My question is has anyone attempted putting the larger motor on the x axis? Is there any reason I shouldn't try/do this with my extra motor that anyone knows about?
My x-axis stepper ran hot too. Attempts at running a lower VREF resulted in skipped steps. In the end, I purchased a replacement stepper, model 17HS19-1684S1 from Stepper Online. If I recall correctly, I'm running a VREF of 0.65 V. You should be good using the extra y-axis stepper on your x-axis.
I guess a reason not to do this, is that the extra mass may cause more wear on the M5 threaded rods. Why not kick that hornets nest?
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